When we experience the loss of someone we love with our whole being, our life is drastically altered, most of us have a set perception of the world, we either subscribe to the materialist doctrine or our religious doctrine, for the materialist, its the end, for the religionist, there is hope, although CONDITIONAL. Why I have remained contributing on this forum is because I aim to bring some motivation into a dark, and for most, negative experience = the experience of grief. We have a choice! We either; stay in our set mind, be it materialist or religious or we EXPLORE alternative perceptions, either our loved ones have ceased to exist or they have gone to another place where we do not have access until our 'death', the former is the materialistic doctrine and the latter is the religious doctrine (depending on which religion) I ask you, what if BOTH are wrong? Mans perceptions have been proved wrong many times throughout his sujourn here, both materialists and religious once thought the earth was flat, both, once thought the earth was at the centre of the universe, both, once thought the sun revolved around the earth, all were MIS- perceptions, all can be forgiven for presuming these concepts were true, after all, it does APPEAR that the sun rises and sets, it does APPEAR that the earth is flat when you look outwards to the horizon, our PERCEPTIONS are mis-leading us and so, dare I say, are our programmers, be they materialist or religionist, both these schools of thought reject anything that opposes their perceptions and that is why we as a species move extremely slowly in our progress. Man is STILL at war with his own kind because he is still at war within himself, collectively, we are as ignorant today as we have been for at least the last 2000 yrs. When we looked upon the lifeless body of our loved one we assumed THEY were dead, because we identified them with their BODY, how many of you can honestly say with your hand on your heart that your loved one was nothing more than flesh, bone, sinew and protein? I bet none of you believe that and if that is the case, then you have proved to yourself that materialism is mistaken, so, where does that leave us? when a balloon is inflated with air it defies gravity and soars high, when the air is slowly released the balloon succumbs to gravity and returns to the earth, the balloon ends up nothing more than a flat lifeless piece of matter, likewise, when the life of your loved one was occupying their body it was expressing that life force, then that very life began to exit that body and the form was returned to the earth it came from, thats called entropy. Did the air from the balloon cease to exist once it escaped its encasement? It returned to its source and became ONE with it AGAIN, why do we allow materialistic propaganda to control our minds? our loved ones never ceased to be, they returned to their Source, our bodies are made up of atoms, which return to their source = mother earth, who's form is also made up of atoms, WE are ENERGY, energizing that body while we OCCUPY it, ask any physicist and they will tell you that energy NEVER dies, its the great CYCLE of LIFE not DEATH! So, if they have been released, they are no longer subject to matter, they are closer to you NOW than they have ever been, they are not way up in the sky out of reach, they are HERE, energy is EVERYWHERE, why are you not aware of them? because you do not RECOGNISE them, dont forget, you mistakenly identified them with their body, its that mis-conception that holds you in an illusion, certain scientists new the quantum world existed BEFORE they found it, their intuition lead them to discover it, certain thinkers KNEW the world was round BEFORE they proved it, had they ignored their intuition and listened to their religion, we would still be walking around on a flat earth. We need to delete most of our programming in order to wake up to what is staring you all in the face = LIFE IS AN ETERNAL PROCESS, this world is just one of many chapters in the cycle.
"Our scientific power has outrun our Spiritual power, we have guided missiles but MISGUIDED men" (Martin Luther King)
"To acquire knowledge, one must study; but to acquire wisdom, one must observe." (Marilyn Vos Savant)
"Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religion destroys spirituality." (Michael Ellner)
We really do need to wake up and remove the blinkers that blind us to a world we have been kept in the shadows of, a world that is rightfully your true home, a world where your loved ones absorb its UNCONDITIONAL love, a world that is crying out to be RECOGNISED
Once again you have articulated so beautifully the thoughts I've been trying so hard to embrace. I do accept the reality that we humans are more than just flesh and bone. I do accept that when we die our energy lives on forever. The trick for us left behind in our time of grief is to be able to really embrace that thinking mind, body and spirit. That's where I find myself struggling to get through right now. For despite what I believe, the pain we experience when a loved one dies is the loss of the physical person. I know Marti's spirit is with me always, I just want to be able to see her again and touch her the way I was able to when she walked this earth. I am still struggling to weave that knowledge into my awareness now. It will take time, but I know I will get there eventually.
Thank you once again for sharing your clarity on this subject.
The STRUGGLE is part of the process, so is the pain you feel, please dont think I am trying to play that painful struggle down or feel I am ignoring it, far from it, as I said to you recently, pain and struggle can and does in most cases precede the birth of a child, it is a process that must be travelled through before the child dawns, awakening is similar, it is a process that is waiting to be born but it has to break out of the familiar setting it is familiar with, the physical person is what we are all familiar with and what we all miss but as you said, it takes time, time to adjust, time to heal, time to realise that our familiar experience of them (the physical) has matured and some have yet to realise this that is why I posted what I did, just as the author you quoted to me recently said "we have to re-configure ourselves" and that is what you are doing Mickey, I applaud your determination and strength, a strength that you may not recognise in what you may feel is weakness, but believe me, you have more strength than you give yourself credit for, I take my hat off to you!
Thank you for the validation. You are right that sometimes I just feel like I'm not showing any strength at all. Especially when some ignorant people make comments implying I'm wallowing in self pity which has been said to me or that I shouldn't be so involved with the grief sites because it's just keeping me stuck in the grief. While I do realize that is their issue, it does make me question my own strength too. Thank you for being a guide for me on this journey. Time does not heal all wounds, the wounds need time to heal.
Hi Paul, always value your posts even in the struggles of my grieving. Although I am coping much beter and beginning to see that there in fact maybe something more after this earthly life. I have had more validations, goodness so many. I need to write them all down in a journal but the last thing was from a lady, I never saw but communicated with online and she told me something about my mother that was so personal to me and her, there was no way she could have uttered it on a whim or guess. I don't second guess it anymore. You know I have heard many say that "Energy does not die" I don't understand how it works but yes, physicists do say that to be true. I have found that in times where I believe everything is occurring by a higher power and there are no accidents, that I see the wonder of a world containing more than the dimensions we see with our eyes. Hugs, Krissy
The insensitivity of some people never seems to amaze me, there is a danger in the grieving process that some people become stuck in it and can lean towards wallowing in self pity as is the case in any form of depression, but I can honestly say that in all of the posts I have read of yours or in our private correspondence I have not once detected any form of self pity being expressed, all I have sensed is a mother grieving for her child, trying with so much courage to adjust to the whole impact this is having on you and with the utmost dignity yet remaining open to alternative views even though you are in the initial stages of your grief, you deserve respect, admiration and compassion for your strength, continue to grieve in YOUR OWN way and disregard the ignorant opinions of others, being part of a grief group, particularly this one is advisable, unless those people who imply those comments have a more productive way for you to travel through your grief, then I think its best they keep their opinions to themselves dont you? You are right, "time does not heal all wounds" in fact time heals nothing, its what you do IN that time that will decide the outcome.
Nice to hear from you, nice to hear about your validations, it can sometimes take a while but as long as you exercise the motivation to stick with it and keep the mind open in order for it to process all possibilities then the reality of this subject will become apparent, its a bit like when you arrived in this world, your physical eyesight had to develop before you could appreciate what you had arrived into, you was'nt born with the instant ability of sight, it evolved through time, likewise, spiritual insight develops and evolves through time, the only difference is that, physical eyesight developed without your input, spiritual insight is down to you and how you open up to it, its an unfolding experience that must be made welcome, why dont you share some of those other validations you have experienced? it helps to inspire others.
Hi Paul, good to see you back again with your "truths"! and always there to put things into a real perspective. I do understand what Mickey is saying, that for us here in the material world, we need the physical presence of our departed loved ones, and sometimes it is not enough for us just to think of them as a spiritual presence, and yet we know that we must. I have, as you know had so many wonderful signs, but never a manifestation of Laurence's physical form. The closest I came to it was when I thought I saw his shadow on a wall, during a difficult period I was having at the time. I know that Laurence will never show himself as a "ghost", but that there are times when I am aware of him. the signs were very strong at the beginning of my grief journey, but now they are not, and I am trying to come to terms as I know I have to do. What I don't understand, although intellectually I do, is why I sometimes fall back into a sort of black hole and am unable to climb out without a lot of weeping and wailing first. and then the next day I am fine and feel "almost"normal. Getting there Paul, but realise it is from within and not from without. I am so weak at times and allow material things to get in the way. Love Edwina
Hi Krissy, so good to see you here again and know that things are gettting a little easier for you. I have wondered how things were for you. I dont think there is such a thing as death, only of matter not spiritual. For me I have been fighting against my "ego" and the higher self, the spiritual self, and often (more often than not) it is the ego that gets the better of me. When the spiritual self takes over (very occasionally) I am a different person, much calmer and much truer than the materialistic one. I feel still like I have a split personality, and so want the true self to take over the egotistic one. Love Edwina
The truth is that we all want their physical presence back, their spiritual presence isn't enough because WE are still functioning on the physical level, the goal is to adapt ourselves to their spiritual presence and that is not an easy task as you are finding out for yourself, what you have to remember is that we are ALL spiritual beings having a physical experience, not the other way around, the spiritual world (although all around us) is not accessible using our normal state of consciousness, when the mystic for example experiences the spiritual domain he is able to alter his state of consciousness, when someone is going through a Near Death Experience their consciousness is altered too, being only INTELLECTUALLY aware of the spiritual is only the beginning, its a start but it doesn't end there, we are still experiencing the material state of being thats why our NEED for physical interaction with them is a strong urge, its the only state of being we are fully aware of at this present time, our introduction or as I prefer to say, our remembering of the our spiritual reality is a developing process, the initial signs you had were 'prompts' to direct you in the right direction, you are facing in the right direction now so no need for 'prompts' as blatant as at the beginning, the signs on the outside are necessary at first but only to grab your attention, the last thing they want is for you to be constantly focussed outside of yourself, the next step is to focus WITHIN because thats where you are to find yourself, when you were a child and learning to walk, you kept FALLING down, because it was a learning PROCESS that YOU had to master, its no different with reconciling your spiritual awareness, you will have many "falls" why? because you are still attached to the physical level, thats why you say "I allow material things to get in the way" its not that they are getting in the way as such, it is simply that you are having a material experience and the material experience is a pull towards a lower vibration, as I have said before, its a scientific fact that we all vibrate at different frequencies (thats why we get good and bad VIBES around other people) we constantly fluctuate those frequencies, when you feel you are falling back into "a black hole" your vibrations are lowering/FALLING thats what is to be expected when a spiritual being is having a material experience, its all perfectly normal Edwina, just go with the flow, once you feel the lowering of your vibratory frequencies just keep in mind what is happening and know that once you get to the bottom there is only one other way to go and that is UP again.
You will feel like a split personality because you are preparing to disengage from the ego, at your physical birth the real you descended into matter, now you are preparing for your spiritual rebirth, preparing to detach from matter = ASCENDING! The pull you feel and experience is the ego fighting for its life, everything is just fine, the REAL YOU will rise (ascend) above it. My mother always said "patience is a virtue" and girl, am I still yet to master that.
Ah yes for me too Edwina. I am constantly fighting with my reality based ego and my spiritual intuitive self. But you hit the nail on the head when you said that on the occaisions where your spiritual self is in charge, you see it so clearly what it all means and how there are no accidents: Things moving along accordingly, not always the way we want but according to A Higher Plan and order.
Yes Paul, the much needed validations and signs come due to my stubborn, reality based personality. But to talk a bit about the signs and validations as have been many.
For all, there are associations that all of us share with individuals in our lives that have meaning. The associations I had with my mother are what I get in the way of signs and validations. When my mom first died, I walked into a store I frequented with my mom and a SONG comes on with my MOTHERS NAME IN IT that she liked. I picked up a doll in the store which the last time I was there with my mother we purchased. This time I picked up a doll I wanted to get for my daughter and noticed the doll had my daughter's name on it.
I constantly get SIGNS of my mother in the form of music. When I am really depressed about her passing and missing her, I get songs of mom's favorite musci artist which mom and I also shared together. I also get SINGS related to my mom in a particular bird: A RED CARDINAL is the sign I get when I know mom is around. Two weeks ago I was upset thinking of mom and all of a sudden, two RED CARDINALS flew right in front of my windshield while I was driving. Another time, right after mom died a BUTTERFLY, landed flat on my windshield while I was driving. There are others, validations from mediums, and a few dreams of her. In my minds eye, I sometimes see my mom. She is always smiling and happy. I do NOT see the woman I saw on her DEATHBED: THAT WAS NOT HER, JUST A BODY.
I ve just embarked on my spiritual journey and I m reading everything I can get my hands on but I think my blinkers are slowly receding and I m beginning to see the world with fresh eyes.Its so tragic that it took my son s passing to really open my mind and venture into new territory.I definately believe we are all capable of communicating with the other side but for so many years our spiritual side as been so neglected we re simply all out of practice and forgotten "HOW".Our ancestors many many years ago understood the value and importance of spirituality and it was the main focus of their journey in this world,they had the insight that this world was just a small phase of the never ending journey of our true spiritual path.When I first held my son after giving birth to him he looked into my eyes ,I mean it felt as though he was looking deeply inside of me as if he knew me,I now know that yes he did know me and it was nt my imagination!Yes his physical body as returned to the Earth but his spirit walks alongside me ,love really has no bounds. Love Always Sherylxxx
I am reminded of a song which epitomises this thread and its called "THE CIRCLE OF LIFE" from the film; The Lion King, just ponder on these words within the song and when you get chance youtube it and listen to the beautiful inspiration and INSIGHT, that was recieved when the song was wrote, and, if anyone does hold to the materialist perception, ask yourself how someone who consists only of a physical form could produce such beautiful words as the following;
From the day we arrive on the planet And blinking, step into the Sun There's more to see than can ever be seen More to do than can ever be done There's far too much to take in here More to find than can ever be found But the sun rolling high Through the sapphire sky Keeps great and small on the endless round
It's the circle of life And it moves us all Through despair and hope Through faith and love Til we find our place On the path unwinding In the circle, the circle of life
It's the circle of life And it moves us all Through despair and hope Through faith and love Til we find our place On the path unwinding In the CIRCLE OF LIFE!
I think I will choose this to be played at my funeral when I make my transition
Hi Paul, I just have to tell you, that Laurence loved the Lion King, and this song was played at his funeral, amongst lots of rap and You've got a Friend, by James Taylor. Being his Mum, all I thought he liked was rap music, and was quite staggered to hear that he loved this song. I think the words moved him a great deal, along with James Taylors.I knew so little about my son then, but nowadays I have learnt a great deal, which I feel means that he must be with me. Love Edwina
There was more to Laurence than met the eye, he probably wasn't himself fully aware of it while on this level but I suspect he was very much in touch with his intuitive side and recognized the spiritual truth encoded within this song and the film itself. Its the CIRCLE OF LIFE, and it moves us all......................................... Love Paul
Thanks for sharing The Circle of Life. It's one of my favorite songs. I loved it even before I saw the show or movie. And I also think it's a great choice for your funeral song.
And to you and all the other wonderful people on this site I would like to share the following phrase also from the Lion King.
Hakuna Matata - It means no worries for the rest of your days.